【Price low to hight】 Eastern Hokkaido in Drift ice walk/Ice walk
- Age 7~Age 74
- 1~2 hours
- 06:30 / 09:30 / 13:00 / 15:30
An experience that can only be had here! Let's put on a dry suit and walk on the drift ice! Drift ice comes ashore on the Okhotsk coast from around late January. At its peak, the Utoro coast is covered with pure white drift ice, creating a sight unlike any other in Japan. Wear a special dry suit and walk on and touch the drift ice. If you're wearing a dry suit, you can float, so try floating like a sea otter. The guide will support you, so you don't have to worry about experiencing drift ice for the first time! ☆ Tour time (held 4 times a day) 6:30-8:00 9:30-11:00 13:00-14:30 15:30-17:00 ☆ Flow of the day (example → 9:30 start course) ☆ 9 : Around 15:00 [Pick-up] 15 minutes before the tour starts, we will visit each hotel to pick you up. Around 9:30 [Lecture] Once all customers have gathered, we will begin the dry suit wearing lecture. Around 9:50 [Departure] Once everyone is dressed and prepared, it's time to leave! Immerse yourself in the world of drift ice to your heart's content ♪ Around 10:40 [Go up to the shore] The fun is fleeting. I'm sorry to leave you behind, but I go to the shore and change clothes. Around 11:00 [Drop-off] The tour ends with drop-off at your accommodation. thank you for your hard work! *The schedule is a guideline.
- Age 7~Age 74
- Over 6 hours on the day
- 09:00
A plan that allows you to fully enjoy winter Shiretoko in one day by combining popular tours! ①Furepe Falls Snowshoeing Use snowshoes to walk through the forest where wild animals live and aim for a spectacular view point. ② Drift Ice Walk® Experience only available at Shiretoko Utoro! Just looking at drift ice is a waste. Walk, touch, and experience it. ③Location Guide We will guide you to the recommended spots for that day and time. A local guide will guide you as you travel by car. ☆Flow of the day☆ (March) *Times are approximate. It may vary. ◆8:40-11:40 [Frepe Falls Snowshoeing] We will pick you up at your hotel in the Utoro area. After the tour ends, we will disband at the roadside station, so please enjoy your lunch. ◆12:50-14:30 [Drift Ice Walk®] Meet at the roadside station. Transfer to the site by shuttle vehicle and change into a dry suit. After the tour, return to your hotel and rest until the next tour. *Disbanded at the roadside station in February. 15:20-17:00 [Location Guide] We will pick you up at your hotel. *Meet at the roadside station in February. The tour will end at a hotel.
- Age 2~Age 80
- Within 1 hour
It's a moored flight that rises to about 30m, so anyone can easily experience it! On a clear day, you can see a panoramic view of the Tokachi Plain, the Daisetsuzan Mountain Range, and the Hidaka Mountain Range. During the season of fresh greenery, there is also a patchwork pattern on the fields! This is a special experience that can only be experienced early in the morning when the wind is relatively stable. Held every morning from April to September!
- Age 8~Age 99
- Within 1 hour
- 10:00 / 11:00 / 12:00 / 13:00 / 14:00 / 15:00 / 16:00 / 17:00
A workshop workshop with the theme of "make and enjoy" in Obihiro, Hokkaido. It will be a memorable experience to make it together with family, friends, and couples ♪ Even children can experience it with peace of mind (participation with parents is required) Inside the store are products and miscellaneous goods of each handmade artist Because they are lined up, it will be fun just to look at them while waiting.
- Age 4~Age 100
- 1~2 hours
- 09:00 / 13:00 / 14:00
Recommended menu for those who do not have enough time or who want to experience only Rafting. The usual Rafting half-day course will challenge the Tokachigawa Rafting course (about 2.5㎞) twice, This plan is an experience menu that goes down the Rafting course only once. half-day If you want to play with it, we recommend the regular "Tokachigawa Rafting" or "Family Rafting".
- Age 4~Age 100
- 2~3 hours
- 09:00 / 13:00 / 14:00
It is safe course down rowing to avoid the collision, such as to the high waves and rocks. If you are the first time I feel scared I wonder - and in rafting, here is recommended for families with children.
5歳と8歳の子どもと家族4人で参加しました。 あいにくの雨でしたが、とても楽しかったです! ガイドの方々も皆さん親切で安心しました。 初めてのラフティングで不安もありましたが 良い思い出になり良かったです。
- Age 7~Age 100
- 2~3 hours
- 09:00 / 14:00
This is a challenge course where you row down towards large rocks and powerful waves. If you are looking for a thrilling rafting experience, this is the place for you. *[Spring special plan benefits] (Implementation period: April 27th to June 30th) 10% off the trial fee & each participating group will receive a DVD with all images of the tour!
- Age 6~Age 100
- 2~3 hours
- 09:00 / 14:00
It is a fishing experience for mountain stream fish in the Tokachigawa main stream and tributaries. 3 hours including travel time to fishing half-day It is a menu. Sometimes you can catch big fish! ? It is a recommended experience plan that you can enjoy nature. ● What fish can I catch? We aim for mountain stream fish such as rainbow trout and Iwana! ● How do you go fishing? Please be assured that the guide will lecture carefully. 初 め て We will be able to enjoy even the first time with safe points ◎ Beginners, children, Female You can enjoy it easily ♪ You may be able to catch even a big game. ● Tokachigawa has many attractions! Upstream of the Tokachi River is surrounded by greenery, water transparency is high, and it is also a treasure trove of living things. The flow of the river, the scenery, and the flow of time will feel relaxed. How about coming to enjoy the beautiful nature by all means.
山の中にある施設 動画も何もかも貸してくれて手ぶらで行けます そして、スタッフの方がとても親切で子供にも優しく接してくれて大満足でした。川釣りは初めてでしたがアドバイスをもとに何とか人数分釣ることができました!川は涼しくて気持ち良い環境の中で釣りができて癒されました!とても楽しい時間をありがとうございます。 とてもお世話になりました
- Age 7~Age 100
- 1~2 hours
- 09:00 / 13:00 / 14:00
After receiving a lecture on basic rowing and safety of Canadian canoeing, we will row to the lake.
- Age 6~Age 70
- 2~3 hours
- 08:10 / 09:30 / 13:30 / 14:30
You can experience silent Shiretoko here even in the crowds of summer vacation and autumn consecutive holidays. It is a course to go through the pioneering site and the forest and go to see the groundwater falls pouring into the Sea of Okhotsk. If it is fine, you can see the 200 m high cliff walls leading to Shiretoko Cape. It is a course that goes to see the falls of the cliffs like "Falls Falls", but there is no boardwalk, and overcoming logs, it is a somewhat wild place.
ガイドの三浦さんの説明はとてもわかりやすく、とても楽しい時間を過ごせました!! 知床の自然の力強さ、人との共存、環境を守る方々の努力、本当に心がうたれました! 素敵な経験をありがとうございました!! 知床が大好きになったので、また来ます!
- Age 6~Age 90
- 1~2 hours
- 05:00 / 07:00 / 09:00 / 11:00 / 14:00 / 16:00
It is a canoeing experience on the Arekinai River, a tributary that flows through the Kushiro Marsh. The meeting place is JR Senmo Line, in front of Toro Station. The course starts from a lake called Lake Toro, goes to the Arekinai River, goes to the main stream of the Kushiro River, goes up the Arekinai River by canoe, and returns to Lake Toro. Because it is a calm river, you can go up the river, and even those who are new to canoeing can experience it with peace of mind. The river does not freeze even in winter, so you can experience canoeing throughout the year. The scenery that changes according to the season, and the Yezo deer, white-tailed eagles, and red-crowned cranes that you can meet if your timing and luck are good are also highlights. Of course, the guide will ride with you, so please leave the operation of the canoe to us. You can also do a half-day course combined with an observation deck tour! 〜Flow of the experience〜 (For the 7:00 course) 7:00 Meet in front of JR Senmo Line Toro Station Please be at Toro Station at the start time of the tour. (If you are late, please contact us.) After meeting, go to the toilet at Toro Station and move to the starting point, Lake Toro. 7:10 Reception at Lake Toro, luggage guidance, safety talk reception, luggage guidance, safety explanation for canoeing. 7:30 Departure! When you're ready, let's go! If you wish, we will also take a commemorative photo here during the experience. 8:30 Goal! Since it is a round trip, the goal is Lake Toro, which is the same as the starting point. Once you get off the canoe, you will be disbanded after taking pictures.
急な申し込みにも関わらず柔軟に対応いただきました。漕ぎながら色々なお話をしてくださり、より楽しめました。夏ならではのカヌーツーリングができて素敵な思い出ができました。次は冬に行きたいと思います!
- Age 7~Age 100
- Within 1 hour
- 06:00
It is a 1 hour course to explore the lake in the Canadian canoe.
- Age 7~Age 100
- Within 1 hour
- 17:30
It is an hour course to explore the lake leisurely in the evening with a Canadian canoe.
- Age 6~Age 70
- 1~2 hours
- 17:00 / 20:30 / 22:00
In addition to observing the starry sky with the naked eye, astronomical observations using a Newton-type reflective telescope with a focal length of 800 mm and a diameter of 200 mm are also performed. What you see, such as stars, moons, and comets will change depending on the conditions of the day. If the weather is good, shooting stars can be seen frequently. Even if you are empty-handed, you can participate with your camera and your own telescope!
ネットで検索して予約しました。 担当して下さった方は、とても親切に分かりやすく説明してくださいました。 ガイドさんのお話を子どもも真剣に聞けており、思い出に残った感動体験でした! 至る所にきめ細やかなお心遣いも感じることができ、有り難く思いました。 時間のご相談もでき、大変助かりました。 本当にありがとうございます! 季節を変えて遊びに行った際は、またぜひお願いさせていただきたいです。
- Age 3~Age 100
- 2~3 hours
- 09:00 / 13:00
A course that flows through the Kushiro Wetlands, starting from Lake Toro on a wide and calm river, you can enjoy a leisurely canoe ride down to Hosooka Station while feeling the breeze blowing through the wetlands. Basically, you won't get wet, so it's okay if you come in clothes that are suitable for the climate and easy to move in. For those who are short on time, we recommend the short course from Hosooka Station to Iwahogi Water Gate. *This is a standard course.
湿原でカヌーするのを楽しみにしていました。初心者2人で心細かったですが、色々な話をしてもらい楽しくカヌーすることができました。本当に良い時間でした!ありがとうございました!
- Age 0~Age 70
- 2~3 hours
- 09:10 / 09:50 / 13:00
Walk through the primeval forest with Snowshoes and watch the cliffs that reach Cape Shiretoko. You can see waterfalls and huge icicles flowing in the Sea of Okhotsk, and drift ice in some periods. You can mainly observe sika deer and wild birds. You may also see natural monuments such as eagle, woodpecker and momonga.
- Age 0~Age 70
- 2~3 hours
- 08:30 / 09:50 / 10:50
This is a trek that goes all around the Shiretoko Five Lakes designated as a special reserve of Shiretoko National Park, UNESCO's World Natural Heritage Area, including elevated wooden paths. This is Japan's first revolutionary Forest Adventure experience in which a licensed leader guides the area where brown bears live. In addition to the lake, you can observe seasonally changing nature, such as sika deer, red fox, wild birds, alpine plants, and autumn leaves. Because they are not fed, all creatures they encounter are real wildlife. Please contact us as it may be possible to respond to times that are not in the selection column.
- Age 3~Age 100
- 2~3 hours
- 08:00 / 11:00
It takes about 90 minutes (8km) to slowly descend the area downstream from the middle stream in Kushiro Marsh. * In the case of strong winds, it will guide you to the upper reaches of the marsh, which is less affected by the wind.
It was the most wonderful adventurous tour to experience the Kushiro marshland up close. Our guide was amazing. He pointed out to us all the animals that could be spotted at the marshland. He also steered the canoe comfortably and we did not have to paddle by ourselves at all if we are tired. The scenery around the river was also one of a kind and it could not be seen anywhere else. Highly recommend this tour to everyone who wants to experience Kushiro’s nature up front!
- Age 0~Age 70
- 1~2 hours
- 09:10 / 09:50 / 13:00
Walk in Shiretoko National Park, a World Natural Heritage Site, with snowshoes during the snowy season. If there is no snow, walk without snowshoes. As you walk through the natural forest, you can see waterfalls and huge icicles flowing in the Sea of Okhotsk, and drift ice depending on the season. You can mainly observe Yezo deer and wild birds. You may also see eagles, woodpeckers, and flying squirrels, which are natural monuments.
I came alone, but the guide was very nice and still tried his best to explain things to me and take care of me. Overall, it was still very worthwhile to experience this trip:)
- Age 0~Age 70
- 2~3 hours
- 13:20 / 14:30 / 15:10
This is a trek that goes all around the Shiretoko Five Lakes designated as a special reserve of Shiretoko National Park, UNESCO's World Natural Heritage Area, including elevated wooden paths. This is Japan's first revolutionary Forest Adventure experience in which a licensed leader guides the area where brown bears live. In addition to the lake, you can observe seasonally changing nature, such as sika deer, red fox, wild birds, alpine plants, and autumn leaves. Because they are not fed, all creatures they encounter are real wildlife. Please contact us as it may be possible to respond to times that are not in the selection column.
ガイドの方は大ベテランでいらっしゃるのに大変気さくでつまらない質問にもお答えくださり、素人の私たちは安心して参加でき大自然を肌で感じることができまた違う季節にも再訪したいです。お世話になりました
- Age 6~Age 80
- 1~2 hours /2~3 hours
- 09:00 / 13:00
Hokkaido winter tradition! Enjoy ice fishing (smelt fishing on ice) on a frozen lake. At Lake Memanbetsu, which is located 10 minutes from Memanbetsu Airport, Okhotsk's air gateway, you can enjoy fishing for smelt by drilling holes in the frozen surface of the lake every year. Our professional outdoor guides will transport you to your hotel or airport and guide you to your fishing spot. Fishing is one of the most popular winter activities, as the smelt you catch can be made into tempura and eaten on the spot. We will provide the tools here, so you can participate empty-handed! ♪A guide will accompany you, so you don't have to worry even if it's your first time fishing. 1. Smelt fishing experience: Experience the thrilling and fun ice fishing for smelt that is unique to Hokkaido in winter. You can enjoy the sense of accomplishment of drilling a hole in the ice and catching the fish yourself. Of course, since this is a natural opponent, the number of hits may be small. 2. Support for beginners: Professional guides provide friendly support so that even beginners can participate with peace of mind. They will carefully teach you how to use the tools and how to feed the fish. 3. Drilling a hole using an ice drill: This includes the experience of drilling a hole in the ice yourself using an ice drill, so you can actively participate even in the cold. 4. Lake Abashiri is one of the most famous places in Japan for smelt fishing, and anglers come from all over the country. We will guide you through Lake Abashiri, one of Hokkaido's leading smelt fishing spots. Enjoy the fishing experience on the lake, catch as much as you can and enjoy the delicious fresh smelt with freshly fried tempura. 5. Peace of mind with a warm tent: A tent has been set up to protect you from the cold, and freshly caught smelt will be fried on the spot and made into tempura. The fresh flavors and meals served in a warm tent provide a special experience. 6. Reliable tour guide: A veteran guide with over 30 years of smelt fishing experience will guide you. We have extensive experience in touring all over Hokkaido, and you can enjoy activities on the cold ice with peace of mind. This tour to enjoy Hokkaido's cold winter is sure to be an unforgettable experience for participants, with not only the fun of smelt fishing, but also delicious food and reliable guides.
初めてワカサギ釣りを体験しましたが、ガイドの方がとても親切に教えてくれるので、ワカサギが沢山釣れました!天ぷらにしましたが、とても美味しかったです。送迎もして頂けて、地元のお話しも楽しかったです。子供は雪遊びも満喫し、また行きたいと話していました。 とてもお勧めです。
- Age 16~Age 100
- 4~5 hours
- 06:30
Starting from the outlet of Lake Toro, the largest lake in the Kushiro Wetlands, we will make a 60-minute round trip across the Arekinai River, which connects to the Kushiro River. After the canoe tour, we will move to a place where there are wild birds such as owls and do 60 minutes of bird watching. *We will provide transportation to and from the meeting/dissolution location. ~Tour flow~ 6:30 Pick up from hotel in the city 7:10 Arrival at Kushiro Wetlands and Toro area Go to Toro Station Change clothes and go to canoe port 7:30 Start of canoe tour with the morning sun behind 8:40 Goal →Clean up/hot coffee (service) 9:00 Move to see owls 9:15 Search for owls, cranes, Steller's sea eagles, white-tailed eagles, and long-tailed tits *Binoculars free rental 10:15 End → Transfer to Kushiro city 11:00 AM Kushiro city Arrival *It is not guaranteed that you will be able to see wild birds.
カヌー体験は、時間が止まったようで日常を忘れる素敵な体験になりました。動物ウォッチングでは、限られた時間内で色んな動物を観れる場所に案内して頂きました。交通の便が良くない場所にあるので、釧路市内の送迎があるのが有り難かったです。また、ガイドさんに釧路湿原のことや地元のお土産・ご飯屋さんなど色々教えて頂き、1人で参加しましたが楽しい時間を過ごすことができました。
- Age 3~Age 100
- 4~5 hours
- 08:00
While riding a canoe, we will fish using bait for 1 hour and 30 minutes. Approximately 38 species of fish that inhabit the Kushiro River, such as Ezoiwana, Japanese dace, and carp. Enjoy what you can catch with your family, couples and friends.
7月末午前中の体験でした。くもりで風もあり長袖で快適で涼しかったです。クネクネした静かな川をカヌーで進むとカモやエゾシカが何頭か見れました。川流れに任せて湿原の中での釣りは自然を満喫できて最高でした。ウグイやウチダザリガニが釣れてこどもは喜んでいました。目の前でタンチョウ鶴が羽ばたいて頭の上を飛んでいった近さは迫力があって感動しました。 何も考えずに静かにカヌーに揺られている時間はサイコーの体験になりました。
- Age 0~Age 70
- 1~2 hours
- 09:00 / 11:00 / 13:30 / 15:30
Take a walk on the ground footpaths of Lake Two and Lake One of Shiretoko Five Lakes, and return via elevated bridge. While walking along the promenade, observe the nature that changes with the season. We can mainly observe sika deer and wild birds.
ヒグマ目撃情報により、予定コースの散策ができませんでしたが、ヒグマが目撃された近くまで高架木道を案内しながらガイド頂き新しい発見もあり、楽しく過ごすことができました。ありがとうございました。
- Age 6~Age 90
- 4~5 hours
- 05:00 / 12:00
It is a canoeing experience of about 17 kilometers on the Kushiro River, which flows through the Kushiro Marsh. The meeting place is JR Senmo Line, Toya Station. It is a long course to enjoy the marshlands from Lake Toro to Hosooka Canoe Port to Iwahogi Floodgate. The first half is a forest course with many trees even in the wetlands. In the second half, there are few trees in the marshland, and the original appearance of the marshland remains with many open landscapes. There is also a toilet break at Hosooka Canoe Port on the way. Recommended for those who want to enjoy the wetlands for a long time. Of course, the guide will ride with you, so please leave it to those who are not confident in the operation and physical strength of the canoe. 〜Experience Flow〜 (For the 5:00 course) Meet at 5:00 JR Senmo Line Toya Station Please be at Toya Station at the start time of the tour. (If you are late, please let me know.) When we meet, we will park the customer's car at Toya Station and move to Toro Station in my car. (Reception will be done inside the train) 5:30 Arrive at JR Senmo Line Toro Station When you arrive at Toro Station, go to the toilet and move to the starting point, Lake Toro. 5:50 Canoe preparation, safety talk When you arrive at Lake Toro, prepare for canoeing and give a safety explanation for canoeing. 6:00 Departure! When you're ready, let's go! First half, about 9 km. From Lake Toro to Hosooka Canoe Port. If you wish, we will also take a commemorative photo here during the experience. 7:30 Arrive at Hosooka Canoe Port! The first half is a canoe experience of about 1 hour and 30 minutes. Since Hosooka Station is nearby, we will take a restroom break here. 8:00 Second half start! The second half is about 8 km. From Hosooka Canoe Port to Iwahogi Water Gate. 9:20 Arrive at Iwahogi Water Gate! While the canoe is being put away, I will have you look at the marsh from a little higher ground. 10:00 Move from Iwahogi Water Gate to Toya Station and disband.
- Age 0~Age 100
- 1~2 hours
This is a sunset cruise where you can ride a sightseeing boat and listen to a guide as you cruise through Kushiro Port, where one of the world's three greatest sunsets, the Kushiro Sunset, sets. Onboard the ship, you will be guided by a dedicated guide who will carefully explain a wealth of information about Kushiro, the port, the sea, the sunset, and the Kushiro Marshes. Along the way, there will be a mogumo time with seabirds where you can get up close to seagulls, a sunset time where you can quietly watch the sunset, a countdown to the sunset time, and at the end, live music such as saxophone performed by the sailors on board. Masu. When you return to the Kushiro River one hour after sunset, the night lights of the Nushimai Bridge will shine, and the boat will blend into the night view of the Kushiro River. If the weather is good, you can see the magic hour when the sky appears magically colored, the eye-catching blue moment, and even the green flash when part of the outline of the sun emits green light at the moment the sun sets. You can see. Occasionally, you may encounter wild animals such as dolphins, seals, and white-tailed eagles, which are designated as natural monuments. All-you-can-drink alcohol and soft drinks on board! ~ Experience flow ~ ① We will gather at the reception desk and prepare for boarding, including wearing life jackets. ② Departure Depart from the Kushiro River and tour around Kushiro Port while your guide explains about Kushiro, the sea, the sunset, etc. ③ Mogu Mogu Time This is a popular attraction that can be enjoyed by both children and adults. You will be surprised by the number of seabirds in Kushiro Port! ④By the time you return to the boat dock, the fishing boats and city lights are lit up, giving you a completely different impression of the Kushiro River than when you set sail.
- Age 6~Age 90
- 2~3 hours
- 05:00 / 08:00 / 11:00 / 14:00
It is a canoe experience of about 9 kilometers on the Kushiro River, which flows through the Kushiro Marsh. The meeting place is JR Senmo Line, Hosooka Station. This course starts from Lake Toro and goes down to Hosooka Canoe Port. As the name of the plan suggests, it is a place with a lot of trees even in the wetlands, and it is a course with the most wild animals. It is surrounded by deep green in spring, green in summer, and colored leaves in autumn. Of course, the guide will ride with you, so please leave the operation of the canoe to us. We also have a Kushiro Wetland long course of about 17 km that combines the forest course and the wilderness course! ~Experience Flow~ (For the 8:00 course) 8:00 Gather in front of Hosooka Station on the JR Senmo Line Please be at Hosooka Station at the start time of the tour. (If you are late, please contact us.) When we gather, we will park your car at the nearby Hosooka Canoe Port and drive to Toro Station. (Reception will be done inside the train) 8:20 Arrive at JR Senmo Line Toro Station When you arrive at Toro Station, go to the toilet and move to the starting point, Lake Toro. 8:40 Canoe preparation, safety talk When you arrive at Lake Toro, prepare for canoeing and give a safety explanation for canoeing. 8:50 Departure! When you're ready, let's go! If you wish, we will also take a commemorative photo here during the experience. 10:20 Arrival at Hosooka Canoe Port! Canoe experience for about 1 hour and a half. Once you get off the canoe, you will be disbanded after taking photos.
- Age 6~Age 90
- 3~4 hours
- 06:30 / 12:30
We will observe red-crowned cranes at feeding stations in Tsurui Village. In addition, we will introduce you to Tsurui Village and other wonderful winter scenery tailored to your time. While on the move, you can spend a relaxing time enjoying the scenery typical of eastern Hokkaido. You can also combine canoe tours and snowshoe tours. Please inquire when making a reservation.
- Age 4~Age 80
- 1~2 hours
- 08:30 / 10:00 / 13:00 / 14:00
While driving along the coastline, look for the natural monuments White-tailed Eagle and Steller's Sea Eagle. If you find it, you can observe it with a 25x fieldscope and binoculars, and take pictures freely. In addition, you can see sika deer and wild birds with high probability. In order to prevent infection, all information is provided outdoors. If you are traveling by car, Rental car car, etc., and observe it outdoors.
- Age 3~Age 100
- 1~2 hours
- 10:30 / 15:00
This course runs through the Kushiro Wetlands, and starts from Hosooka Station on a wide, calm river, all the way to Iwahoki Sluice Gate, where you can feel the wind blowing through the wetlands as you leisurely descend. Basically, you won't get wet, so it's okay if you come in clothes that are suitable for the climate and easy to move in. *This is a short course.
滅多にない最高の天気の中、8人乗りカヌー体験でした。 一緒に乗り合わせた若者達が非常に気持ちの良い子達で、楽しい1時間半の体験でした。 こればかりは仕方無いことですが、、、 鶴に出会えなかった事が、星1個無しで4個です(苦笑)
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